Episode 40
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Today we're welcoming back the mind of Justin Breen, visionary entrepreneur, best selling author and relentless connector of global leaders. His latest masterpiece Epic Journey is a profound tribute to warrior spirits like his World War Two hero dad, exploring the illuminal space of higher consciousness, deconstruction and no excuses purpose. From overcoming epic anxiety to activating abundance, Justin's story inspires us to serve humanity while putting loved ones first. Buckle up. This is epic.
Smoke:Justin, welcome to the Smoke Trail.
Justin:You know, in Gene Keys, there's an assessment called Gene Keys, there it says there's literally no one for me to follow, but I'd like to dispute that because I've been very grateful for you and your guidance, and if you want to call it mentorship over the last couple years, so thank you.
Smoke:Well, thank you. That's that's I I appreciate that very much and I I really like Gene Keys. I I took my Gene Keys, my Colby, my an enneagram which I can't say right. Enneagram, yeah. By Barnard Briggs, I don't know one or two other things and I fed them all into AI.
Smoke:I said tell me about this person. And I had a I had a really pretty interesting, discussion.
Justin:I'm sure that was a fascinating, discussion with, you're a visionary alien not, meant to follow, the crowd, and you're supposed to be on your own path, and you're going to go through a lot of setbacks, and don't want people telling you what to do, and you should be in charge. I'm guessing that's kind of what it, you know, kind of what it said. You're here to change global consciousness, things like that.
Smoke:Yes, it was it was quite instructive and and I, you know, and and I and I, you know, because it's like for me, I, you know, I like you, like, I've done all those things and I do think find them to be useful and interesting but also like I I'm more of a person of action so I want to like how do I action these like what what like what is and so I I went pretty deep talking to one of the AIs about it and it was pretty interesting.
Justin:There's a good, the woman I'm dating, I knew this would be a good fit because she told me about this. It's an app called The Pattern and if you plug in your stuff and then you can match with people either as a friend or romantically. It's a really good it kind of takes AI and blends all those patterns into like this would be good for your relationship or good for your partnership within a company or something. Like it's a really good, so it's called the pattern. If you haven't done that or.
Smoke:No, check it out.
Justin:Yeah, it's a good one for sure.
Smoke:You know, I think my understanding of a lot of these things is that they're useful tools to understand the, you know, we we we come at my my current thinking subject to better information or someone else who has a better idea.
Justin:Yeah.
Smoke:Is you know, you've gotta you've got an energetic soul body which comes into this realm to experience something and.
Justin:Yes.
Smoke:And when we go into a human form, we have, you know, we're born at a certain time and there's a whole system, right? The whole system designed based on, you know, where everything is, you know, astrologically and time of day and everything else. Yeah. That is a set like a pre programmed layer of operating system. Yeah.
Smoke:It goes on to our human form that is part of that journey. So, you've got this sold soul entity that has nothing to do with any of that. You've got, you've got the you know, the pre programming which is kind of like when you're born and where and what's happening and you know, that drives some of the of the filters or some of the operating system. Yeah. And then so these these tools are quite useful in dissecting that and understanding it until you transcend that you know until you kind of
Justin:yes
Smoke:break through those those operating systems and you know get get to a higher level. They're quite interesting and they're quite useful for you know why is this human acting like that and Correct.
Justin:Why are we doing this? Why do you keep going to the same pattern? Well here's here's why or like why are ENFPs different than INTJs or Enneagrams different than fours like or whatever And it's like, because what you said was very profound, I mean, profound. I kind of maybe simplify it for the audience. It's like, we could just be floating around and which is fine, but like these tools are a way of like grounding that in like a tactile tangible way and then taking that and creating something out of that, whether it's a company, I don't know, a book, a song, a poem, whatever that is, like creating something actionable that help not only helps yourself, but helps other people as well.
Smoke:Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good simplification and and again, like they're useful tools and I I think they're they they're they're helpful in turning the gaze internally. To contemplate on our own, you know, circumstance and experience that we, whatever we've had and and it's about reflecting and I think that's the gene keys does a nice job. You know, I think Richard does a good job of like, you know, basically saying the whole point is be in contemplation and contemplate on your keys and on the, you know, on the whatever he calls in the cities and the, you know, the the aspects of it. Yeah. They all end up kind of at the same place but from a different angle.
Justin:Couldn't have said that better. Yeah.
Smoke:Well, when we talked last which was early, you're my second two timer on the smoke trail.
Justin:For sure. There'll be many more.
Smoke:Yeah and when we did our episode, you were, you had a draft of of your book which I had I had read and gratefully got an early early version and. Yeah. I think I wrote you a little a little blurb or something.
Justin:Yes, you did.
Smoke:Which I loved and so where where are you at now on that part of your journey?
Justin:Well, one, the book is called Epic Journey, so that's that's good. It's good use of journey. And so it's the final draft, whatever you want to call it, the copy, it's done, and I would say from this recording we're within a matter of days or a couple weeks that it's actually published. And just to get the book out, just to write it was a journey, waiting which is fine, waiting for this process has been a journey. The book has helped the manuscript has helped a lot of people already.
Justin:It's basically what we talked about, it's a look inward first to look outward. People have gotten tattoos already based on the manuscript, which I thought was very interesting.
Smoke:That's cool.
Justin:Yeah, it's cool. And then, like, what we were talking about before actually creating something. So, you know, I'm very grateful Doctor. Deepak Chopra has agreed to do the introduction for the book, and it's a really good introduction. I guess I can, well, I can say this, you know, it's appropriate that I say this now because I haven't said it until now, but he's starting a book club similar to the Oprah Book Club, and this will be the first American book on it.
Justin:There's a couple others that are coming out.
Smoke:Wow. That's great.
Justin:And then he and I are scheduled to do an interview about the law of dharma, which is in his probably most famous book, seven spiritual laws of success. And so we're gonna do an interview based on purpose and law of dharma. And then the book is it is very very grateful that Gary Sinise from you know Forrest Gump and other movies, he's agreed to narrate a documentary that the book will be based on.
Smoke:Wow, that's very cool. About your dad?
Justin:About about my dad. Apparently, have star in it because my dad's no longer alive, obviously. So I have to go to Europe and go to the the he was in the for the okay, let me let me slow down. So my father was 61 when I was born. He'd be 109 now and then he was a World War two hero.
Justin:So after he died, I found his diary from the battle of the hurricane force, which was toward the end of World War II, and so I and then I followed a map in that diary to France. Just saw the map. I'm like, oh, I gotta go to France. And then so following that map to this small town in France called Nancy, I kind of I think I unlocked like what's kind of happening in the world in terms of the trauma and then all those kind of things. And then the documentary will be going back to the battlefield sites, you know, based on his diary, what actually happened there according to his diary.
Justin:So that'll be you know, but to do that, to, you know, even write this manuscript, and I'm very grateful for all of this, but, you know, was amicably divorced, moved out of my former house. I live about a mile from where my kids live, and dissolved some companies, I would say full dark night of the soul, ego death, mostly ego death, spiritual awakening. And Doctor. Carl Jung called it a liminal space where you're in between two lives while you're still alive, and then I guess this book actually coming out represents the end of that liminal space and entering new life, whatever that means.
Smoke:Well, thank you for sharing and I'm I went through a similar journey and.
Justin:Of course.
Smoke:Had a first marriage and and my my mine wasn't so amicable for a while. It took a.
Justin:Most aren't. Most aren't.
Smoke:Took like four years to to resolve which was not not recommended by by me to anybody. But we're all amicable now which is
Justin:good. Good.
Smoke:And yeah, so well, that's great time for learning and expansion. So happy for you that it's made it through or making it through.
Justin:Yeah
Smoke:it's funny you mentioned the movie Gary's niece was in you know the the we just watched it again and I hadn't seen it in probably you know decades you know more than.
Justin:Force Gump?
Smoke:Yeah. Gump.
Justin:Yeah.
Smoke:And I watched it with a totally new completely different lens and I'm like oh wow this is a movie about enlightenment.
Justin:Yeah yeah it's a twin flame journey that's what that movie is.
Smoke:Well that's one layer and the layer I got what I what my lens was it was all about being present. Forest was present at all times and he was never attached to the outcomes. He was always just present and
Justin:he was a
Smoke:yeah, showed how the universe unfolds and know, he had all these incredible adventures and, you know, phenomenal experiences and Yes. World world changing things because he was present and sinner and he never got caught up in things from the past. He was always there. It so to me, like, that's what I got out of it. Was like woah.
Smoke:I never knew that when I watched it last time.
Justin:That's so I also recently watched it a couple weeks ago and I mean you can't make this stuff up. It's just what it is. That you know I've stopped overthinking anything. But it's since finishing the manuscript and then waiting for a book come out, I've done a really, really deep dive on the trauma affecting relationships strictly from a male female perspective, you could certainly take it a different way. So like from the woman perspective, women have been conditioned to receive trauma or abuse over thousands thousands of years.
Justin:I mean, you look at Jenny from Forrest Gump, okay, she's a great example of that. It's not funny, okay, but it's what you can only laugh at, you know, but so and then so, so it's at a cellular level. So when a good man like can't be this is hilarious that we're doing this now, but a good like genuine good man present man like Forrest Gump comes around it's well, it's confused like that doesn't make sense. So they run like it's and then for as you saw in that movie and then many, many, many other men that I've talked to, there's nothing more painful for a man when then they genuinely love a woman and that's rejected or dismissed or run away. And so I'm convinced at this point that those type of relationship trauma patterns that create war, issues, they create political issues, they create educate, like everything I'm convinced is based on that.
Justin:And then so from a personal standpoint, whether you call it dating or just learning about both genders or, you know, regardless of orientation or anything. It's like that's what that's the journey I've gone on. And moving forward with that, and again, thanks to you, I consider you a mentor. You indirectly introduced me to Alyssa Allen because she was also on your show, and then she's definitely a master healer. She and I are starting a big retreat center called Aurum.
Justin:Aurum is Latin for gold, and you know, gold is massive healing powers, but and then with that, it's like it'll be a year round center, like where people can come whenever they want to, because a big problem with a lot of these things is it's like a quick fix, but that's not healing is not a quick fix. It's a it's not linear. It's a it's a lifetime and so having somewhere to go consistently, I I know will be really important and then, she, I guess, is, you know, been through similar things. So, if you want to call her expert. And then within Aurum and I guess the rest of my living body life, it's to observe what's going on and then create books like Epic Journey, which will be turned into a documentary and or, you know, companies like this and having discussions like this with with people like you and other great leaders to really observe and reflect and discuss and activate things that aren't necessarily talked about in like mainstream world.
Justin:So it's like bridging us floating around and observing into like a you know something that can actually help people in real time by being present.
Smoke:I love this story. I love the fact that the smoke trail has a baby and it's made up of Justin and Alyssa and your creation. I love that the connection happened that way, that's awesome.
Justin:Well, very well very again very grateful for you, and then you were the first person ever to you reminded me of this last time we saw each other in person or one of the like, you're the one that the first one who told me about twin flames. I'm like, don't know what the hell that is, but so I've done a deep dive on that. And then also with labyrinths, Healing Power of a Labyrinth, which I talk about in great detail in the Epic Journey book, which you're included in that as well. And all of this, what that book is and what we're talking about, it's kind of like a composite of this healing journey, you want to call it a hero's journey for those that have read The Alchemist or The Little Prince. It's that type of story, but it's in real time being present and it is not for the faint of heart.
Justin:I don't wish that type of experience upon anyone unless you are really ready for it and you're really ready to look in because it is brutally painful as you know because you've experienced some of these. And but on the other end of it is this massive transformational healing, which has already started to happen not only for me, but the people that have read the book and then talking about this is a very healing journey. So, I'm really excited to take that out into the world on a a mass level.
Smoke:Yeah, that that's beautiful and I love the work you guys are both doing. I I love the vision of what you're building. Thank you. You know, I think healing can be a lifetime and it can also be very very quick. You know, and and what I mean by that is, you know, when when we we have, we create, separation is created when we have some kind of trauma.
Smoke:Yeah. Separation from higher self and it's what creates our ego mind, right? It creates who we become and it's the the gaps that we have between higher self and normal human self are filled in with our egos. So we
Justin:I did a good drawing that the ego is the bridge between soul and human. That's interesting.
Smoke:Yeah. So we we we have these these wounds or whatever these these traumas and it creates a separation and then it gets filled in with what becomes who we become as humans. And as we awaken and as we understand this and dissect it, the ego gradually dissolves, right? It it basically, you know, they say the death that ego but I I think it kind of.
Justin:Yeah.
Smoke:You know, it dissolves dissolves back into self, the higher self and. Yes. We don't lose any of the powers and the things that we've been able to learn to fill the gaps. In fact, we have these skills, you know, mine, part of mine was not being heard, you know, as a child, not no one listening. Yeah.
Smoke:So, the fact that I have a podcast and I speak and. Yeah. Have a, you know, huge network and and all that is is not an accident, right? It's part
Justin:of that. Yes.
Smoke:But, you know, now, it's just a tool that this entity can use to help people and to do, you know, be useful in the world as Scott Adams, great Scott Adams who passed away this week. You know, made such a great example of being useful. So, I I I think you know, and I think that, you know, as we as we progress, you know, we we experience, you know, falling in love or you know, these great moments of elation, of success. Yes. And those are moments when we're actually back in touch with higher self but it's conditional.
Smoke:It's conditional based on the circumstance or the person and so it goes away and as we progress, it's not, it becomes no longer conditional. So, we're always in that state. We're always in a state of of love and peace and and a higher elevated place when we're connected with our higher self. And we still, you know, still have relationships and love people and everything else but but it's it's self contained in that the love doesn't ever go away no matter what happens.
Justin:Well, I mean again our conversations are always very collaborative. The way I look at this whole journey is like I finally learned what unconditional love is and was through this. Not only like for yourself and then I think that translates eventually to outward unconditional love. Yeah. And then the word condition as a human society again through ego which you just talked about, the book's also about embracing like your feminine regardless of gender, and that the world's being very much harmed by masculine ego, again regardless of gender.
Justin:So it's about bridging that higher self into the human world, and it is very difficult because we've been conditioned, especially in America, we're both in The United States, but especially in America that, you know, so the word business comes from bisingus, Latin word bisingus, which means anxiety, sale is dull and dirty, and religion means to bind. That's what these words actually mean. So, we're, you know, we're in these human constructs of anxiety or dull and dirty and it's very difficult to break out of that or even become aware of it. And then again, once you're aware of it and really start healing yourself, just my personal opinion is create something that helps others. Like it's really great to heal yourself.
Justin:I'm all about that. All about that. I know you agree with this. It's like taking that action to create something, whether, you know, you speak to massive global communities of very traumatized people that are very quote unquote successful, and then you do a great job of of bridging that, what you're exactly talking about, and you do it in a very soft, gentle, like I would say like an easy, massageable way into worlds like that. And what the things you talk about are really the keys that can really help people who lead companies, that can help their employees or change their mission or change their purpose.
Justin:Purpose on this planet, if you don't mind me speaking directly, like you have a great purpose, like a and then you're doing it, you're actually doing it.
Smoke:Thank you.
Justin:You're welcome. Well, thank you means acknowledging the other person's humanity, so as much as both you and I are complete aliens, like that's not a joke, it's good to acknowledge that we are human and we have humanity as well. So, yes, that is correct and so, so you're a good I guess I'm a good example too, but you're a good example and then the people you have on the show, they're good examples of, in fact I would say everyone you have on the show from what I've heard and seen are bridges, they're bridges.
Smoke:Yeah, I mean look I think that's the mission dharma, whatever that. Yeah. You know, each of us, you know, as we awaken, sign up for which is how do we how do we be useful? How do we help others? And and that's certainly the intention of of my work.
Smoke:Yeah. As as well as I also recognize that part of this was healing for me.
Justin:Oh. So having
Smoke:having people to talk to and and share my learnings in the journey and share theirs and get insights from you has been part of my healing journey as well. It's all connected my friend, all connected.
Justin:It is. I'm all about non duality, we're all one. I'm completely all about that. In the three d world, this doesn't necessarily work yet, or at least I'm not there yet. I clearly see the differences in things, I mean that you, I mean anyone can see that, but it's so it will be very interesting to see how society evolves with technology.
Justin:With people, you can make the argument that they're more isolated now or more into technology. I saw a really great post the other day. I don't know who posted it, but they're like, you ever think about the people who created social media were like the most anti social people ever? So they created social media. Right, but it's like it's an interesting thing to and so like I'm like why are we talking right now?
Justin:We're talking because of social media and then I met my wonderful ex wife on dating app and then the amazing woman I'm dating now. I met her on a dating app, so it's like I'm very grateful for that and then having platforms like Zoom, but then it's also like is it creating more isolation? I don't know the answer to that yet. I don't know and I might never
Smoke:Yeah, so it's great questions and my own you know thought on it is that it is the technology is neutral. It's just a tool and so it's how you use it and so it can be used for good and it can be used for ill And we see we can you know both cite many examples of both but I think those are good examples of great great use of it. I mean it used to be to me to if you were going to meet someone you had to go to a bar. That's that's no longer the the case, right? So, there's lots of benefits to it.
Smoke:There's certainly downsides. I wrote an art. I I we did a gaming retreat with our YPO chapter last week in Santa Monica and my good friend Jayvon, who has a great board gaming company. He bootstrapped from Kickstarter to big success and he's doing a bunch and and another chapter member you know together curated this unbelievable weekend where we got to hang out with the Bushnells. The guy that created Atari and his son who's doing he's also a game creator and we got to go visit the headquarters of some really big companies and yeah and so I actually but I but in in doing the deep dive especially with these online games you know I was sitting there watching this presentation and I won't mention names because they were very gracious and it's a great success.
Justin:I know where this is going but keep going.
Smoke:But I couldn't help but you know notice the music and notice the violence and and just being like oh wow wait a minute.
Justin:It's all true. This
Smoke:is entrainment. This is in training a bunch of young men mainly.
Justin:Yes.
Smoke:To desensitize them to violence and killing and all this stuff and since our subconscious doesn't know the difference between a murder on a TV or a video game or a murder in person.
Justin:Yeah.
Smoke:You're, you know, what are we putting into people's heads? So, that that to me is a. Yeah. It's a great illustration of the negative use of technology. Yes.
Smoke:And it's definitely Luciferic forces that are involved with this. So I wrote a pretty in-depth article about it earlier that I think is too long for 99% of the population but I talk about this. Don't get to the Luciferic forces. Well I'd like to
Justin:read the article about the Luciferic forces that would be really interesting.
Smoke:Well, they're they're they're they're prevalent, right? So, Luciferic and a lot of people don't know the difference, right? Luciferic versus Satanic but they are distinct. They're they're they're connected in some way but they're losing.
Justin:Yeah, that's maybe a great article. If you want it's up to you but I would read that.
Smoke:Well the satanic is you know killing rape all the violent acts you know those kinds of things. Luciferic is a little more subtle right so it's like power money yeah it is it's sex it's it lies you know it's dishonesty so you know and those lead to their pathways to satanic forces but they are separate and sneak energies and the the Luciferic is is highly influential in all of our media what's in television, what's in movies, what's in games, a lot of the a lot of the music, you know, certain music, you know, the the hardcore rap stuff, the hardcore heavy metal stuff and once you see it it's quite obvious and our brains get entrained right so if you listen think about it like listening to a great song and you're just like you're in the groove it works the same way of negative influences so correct you turn off that that hardcore rap song and the rest of the day that kid is entrained in that you know cop killer mentality vibration Those are not accidents.
Justin:Well there's a couple things from that again creating something actionable. Like I parent differently than most you know my father was 61 when I was born in a World War II hero, so he parented me different than most fathers do which is great. And then my sons are 13 and 11. They're very, very, very old souls, hyper intelligent, great athletes, great kids, very popular, like super sweet. So anyway, we watched Boys in the Hood last night and as an educational.
Smoke:Yep.
Justin:Educational, it was really and I'm like guys there's going be a lot of very negative words in this, but like understand this is what happens when there is a lack of any support, low consciousness, anything and I'm like it was not only that, regardless of who's living in what neighborhood or whatever, it doesn't matter color or anything. If there's low consciousness or lack of support, this is what's going to happen regardless of country. And then the other thing was making them aware, hey, their public school district was named number one in the entire United States, or whatever breaking that is, in one of those main publications, which is fine, but I'm like guys you got to understand the opportunities that you have. Most folks do not have them. So, it was and then to your point like Luciferic, is really fascinating like and then I was a journalist for twenty years, so I know the inner workings of the media and I used to own a global PR firm, so I saw the way to spin stories and then get I mean, so it's like I've seen all that and seen the relationship trauma and experienced own ego dissolution or dissolving, which is much better than ego death, I like how you phrased it better.
Justin:And so again, taking all of that, all of it, and then creating books, started two music companies, one like actual music, human music, and then another, my partner Eric and I, we help people create songs with AI that are they can be negative or if they're negative feelings, but for the most part it's extremely positive, uplifting feelings for self care and then projecting that self care out into outer healing for everyone else.
Smoke:Yeah and these things are just a part of the human experience so they're here for us it's not like it's not like I mean there's there is organization and there is you know organized you know intentional groups that are you know propagating this because they want humanity to stay away asleep.
Justin:100%. I
Smoke:mean I I look at the I wrote a poem this morning.
Justin:You did. So did I.
Smoke:Yeah. I want you to share yours. But mine was mine's called protesters folly. And and it's yeah it's just about like you know, the so clear and obvious to anyone who knows what's knows anything can see anything that this the polarities that are being agitated about and that the masses are being manipulated and it's they're harvesting louche. That's the energy that comes off of human beings and they're it's being harvested by negative entities and society is falling into this so that was that was my poem this morning so you know a little light reading for a Thursday.
Justin:Light reading yeah so and how long did it take you to write that a couple minutes?
Smoke:Yeah I usually so I my normal routine I I'm up you know between four and five and. Right. And I I make coffee. Yeah. My French press.
Smoke:I these days now that we have two fireplaces at our Sedona house. I I I light one of them. And so I have a fire going and then I'll do a meditation for, you know, forty five minutes or an hour and then usually something will come to me that that sparks or write something either a poem or you know, some kind of article or something about something that I think could be helpful. And and it usually so so if you don't I mean, so I I don't know how much of that go probably that's a big factor in Yeah. Coming coming to the idea and the clarity and usually something just comes up pops up in my head it's like oh protesters folly and like in the
Justin:right
Smoke:usually the title pops up and then I and then start writing and it's usually like I'm sitting here and it's descriptive I'm like this is what's happening the birds are chirping. The deer are out. The puppy's playing. The fire is going. It's peace and I'm in love and also outside, I see all this, you know, trauma and turmoil happening and and then it's a commentary on that in I find I can do it better in a poem than I can do it in like a prose like an actual article.
Justin:Get oh okay well that was a great okay that was very helpful in terms of I'll dovetail what you said and then your process because we're eerily similar, of course that makes sense, but so I don't try to cry every day, but you know part of healing or you know men are not taught to have emotions, so I would say most days I cry for a little bit. But anyway, there was one of my tears landed on my laptop screen and then it made a separate splatter, so it looks like a sun and a moon, and then there's another one that looks like an earth. So anyway, so I was looking at that, and then so this was an hour before you and I opened this conversation, And then so I looked at that, I go, Oh, that looks interesting, and then took all of our conversations in terms of like the labyrinth or the twin flame or the book or the music or whatever, turn and thatI write pretty fast. We're both manifestors in human design, which is really rare, and then manifestors have these moments of intense creativity, and then they need to rest for a while.
Justin:So anyway, within three minutes I wrote this based on theall right, so I'm going try to read this.
Smoke:Okay.
Justin:I have to focus now, hold on. Let me detach myokay. The salty raindrop fell a sultry splatter that turned into a shadow sun graced by a gentle moon, evaporated with a mark left of a broken heart that would never quit to remember its place in the unsalted world. The universe reminds us all bit by bit through synergies and collisions why we are truly here. A wave of emotion flattened into placidity, an inner knowing so strong that it defies the gods.
Justin:Inside the maze lies the treasure within the centermost wall. I found you again my darling even when you run the salty tide against the lighthouse a dance that lasts forever. So I didn't cry. That was good.
Smoke:Awesome. Thank you.
Justin:Welcome. Yeah. So.
Smoke:Thank you. Yeah, I find I I don't know about you. I find sometimes like, the, what I'm trying to convey, I can convey in a poem much better. Like it, like, it means, there's so much more meaning in a, in a short, in that, and, writing it out it just it either ends up being like I don't know it's just hard to it's hard to capture the emotion of it.
Justin:Well less is more and I would say if it's helpful maybe to you or even me or the audience like I probably can write a poem or song lyrics like that at least once a day, And then if it is something in book form, like the epic journey thing, it took thirty five days to write that, but that's only because I had to go to London and France to do it. I live in the Chicago area, but like if there is a moment of creativity then I don't this just comes out of me. It doesn't it doesn't get channeled anywhere else like it gets channeled into whatever we're talking about, an article, a poem, a song lyric, sometimes a book, but it's like it has to that has to go into something creative. And I wrote another well I didn't whatever you want to call it the articles about where it comes from like I take no credit for any of this it comes from somewhere else and then I guess well
Smoke:I love that and I agree with you and I think I don't know if you've listened to the telepathy tapes.
Justin:No, send that. Send me that.
Smoke:Yeah, they're they're they're terrific. And season two gets into all this stuff that we're working on. So, it's it's really well done. But one of the episodes in season two they're talking about creativity and where does it come from and she does a great job of curating and talking about a lot of people but the thing I got out of it is the idea that ideas are entity are things that are looking for expression whether it be a song or a book or whatever and she has some great examples on that show where someone had an idea for a book and then she got distracted and then someone she met a little bit later had exact same idea and wrote the book and they connected and that's true of like.
Justin:Are you talking about Elizabeth Gilbert?
Smoke:I don't think Elizabeth Gilbert, but somebody like that. But anyway, it's like if and Rick Rubin talks about this a little bit too. It's like, if you don't do it when you're inspired, it'll come out somewhere
Justin:else. Correct.
Smoke:And so you know I love what I love you know at the quick start in me and you. Yes yes. We're more apt to act on something that comes our way. Yes. But you know if you're inspired and this is really to everyone you know, if you have an inspiration, you have some kind of creative thought, do it then.
Smoke:Do it right then. Like, do it right then because you have, you're, you're being divinely inspired and the opportunity to express it is given to you. So, do it. If you're, you're the vehicle to express that and if you sit on it, you know, it may go away. It may come back or someone else might do it.
Smoke:I mean, you get you get the same ideas popping up like there's certain forms of art, certain forms of writing, certain forms of different, you know, music that seem to all arrive at the same time. Like, different people come up the same things. It's who, which, which human entity is the right vehicle for this idea to express itself as opposed to who invented it?
Justin:Yes. Writing notes to send you about telepathy tapes, an intro to Javon or is it Javon?
Smoke:Javon, yeah.
Justin:And then Luciferic Satanic Differences. Oh yeah, I know you have less follow through than I do, so I can remember in real time because like those are things like with your like we're both guides, we just are like this how it is and like your ability to process this is at a level that in this lifetime very, very, very, very, very few people will ever get to. So you have a gift while you're here. I had this really interesting conversation. I'm only mentioning this because it's just how it is, but most people I talk to are very wealthy in terms of finances, not necessarily the soul work, which is also fine.
Justin:So we were talking in a group session about these kind of things, and then he brought up an interesting point, he's like well the challenge you have is that in this lifetime most people aren't going to understand this want to do that. I go well okay, I go thanks for saying that, one I agree with you, but two like that doesn't really concern me. It's about creating things that far outlast living body, like I'd certainly want to be around here you know a lot longer, but the things that are being created the real mission is to create something that far outlasts being alive. It's more of like creating something that works the world's consciousness well after human body death. Like that's far more concerning for me than all this other stuff.
Justin:And then I was thinking well if you're only concerned about what you're doing in living body death, don't know if that's necessarily, I don't know if that's necessarily not the right or wrong thing but like the ideal thing like I'm thinking well past well past actual death like well.
Smoke:Look it doesn't matter any religion that you know every religion has their ways of saying it but you know karma is real every single thing that we think feel do and the intention behind doing whatever every single thing is is recorded. It's all it's all part of this energetic system we're in. And so you know it's it's very short sighted to just think in terms of this life, although that's the one we're in. But it's everything carry, everything carries over, right? And you know, karma, you can, you can transcend karma by going back to full self and being present and being acting from a place of love at all times.
Smoke:And it doesn't matter what you've done. You know, I have I have friends, a bunch of friends, military, you know, people. One of one of them was a like a special forces ops guy and he actually he was part of the British special forces and and you know, and it we were talking about this and he said, you know, the things that we did, the things that I saw, the things that I was around, he's like, I don't know if there's any hope for, you know, is there, you know, what do you do? And I said, well, if you you do first what you just did, which is recognize it and a healthy regret and going forward not, you know, doing and do living right is all you can do. You can't
Justin:change your regret.
Smoke:Yep. Healthy regret and and then a right say, a right, a writing of, you know, think of Buddha, right thoughts, right mind, right action, you know, all the, you know, the the the eightfold path. It's just, you know, it you can't ignore it. So, you have to face it and recognize, oh, I was in this situation. I, there were things that that I would was doing that I I now greatly regret.
Smoke:I wouldn't do it today but you weren't you today then. Right. You're now, you're now a different being and a healthy regret and a and a clear path and a clear dedication to serving god, to serving love, to coming from that place at all times is all you need. So, don't, you know, it's we we we damage ourselves by rehashing trauma rehashing things that's why I say like healing can be can be fast or slow it can be fast in the sense if you can really live that way and have a healthy regret for anything that you did or thought or you know did at any time and but you live right from that moment on you've solved it like the trauma's over you don't carry it with you you just move forward and you're if you're present then you're at a divine source of you know of of you know a greater power and it flows through us right it it flows through us so the blockages that we have because of the trauma and the resistance to whatever circumstances we're in. Yes.
Smoke:But the blockages that prevent the divine power from flowing up through our bodies and up through our head and back into a fountain. It's like a fountain. It's like.
Justin:100%.
Smoke:And so yeah I mean healing can be instant if you can get there it's really hard in human form.
Justin:So hard. Here's and here if this is helpful if this is helpful I mean no because it's really well Carl Jung wrote about this and I'm paraphrasing but most people won't look into their far inner self, they'll just run away from it. Mean that's he spent his whole life and probably many lifetimes working on that it's so hard to do this and then the, I mean there are many benefits, but what I will say is as there is more and more healing or awareness or consciousness of that, it's like a magnet, whether it's a relationship or conversations like this, there's an attraction that somehow, well you probably describe because of the energy you admit, like you attract without comparing it's comparing higher level consciousness or more healed or people that are also going through similar healing journeys in real time that's the part of being present.
Smoke:Yeah it's so humans are each other's medicine.
Justin:Oh
Smoke:great. Know and I picked that up from Liv who her book her great book is Spiritual Heartbeat which is out now.
Justin:Yeah.
Smoke:And and you know, and I I love that. It's true but it's look, when you when you get to higher self and you and you you get that energy flowing, that fountain of divine power flowing through you. Yes. It's what we it's it's what drives all love and happiness. So if someone has cleaned up their debris and their blockages to where that's flowing the way it ought to flow or it naturally would flow.
Smoke:It's very attractive, it's what everyone wants to be around that because it's what everyone seeks but the thing is we see we don't seek it it's inside it's right inside each.
Justin:Right there. Right. It's right there.
Smoke:Yeah it's like it's available.
Justin:It's right there and available and then the human aspect is it's so beneficial to know and have these conversations that there are other people out this because this is a very isolating dark night of the soul, like the like really like, again, ego death dissolution, that is a lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely place to be. So and then again
Smoke:But Justin it's divine blessing.
Justin:Doctor. J. 100%. Well, and technically, technically we're both men, I think. I think we are.
Justin:So to have and then men are not taught to have these discussions, so or write poems and talk openly about them. There were poems on the same day. So as a man, it's really helpful to have these conversations. That's where the healing is beginning, continuing, never ending but really exponentially growing I would say.
Smoke:Yeah, no I completely concur and so when I say it's a blessing so a severe injury, a severe illness, a severe heartbreak, trauma, accident, you name it. All the things that we don't, you know, we don't look at, look, we don't like, I want to go do that. No, these are all the things on the, I don't want that to happen are all amazing opportunities to grow spiritually. Cause it's in that moment of that severe and that energy that's there that we make the choice to sit with it and allow it to flow through us and be in the trauma, be in the pain, be in the sadness or whatever it is. Yeah take it.
Smoke:Because it's not endless, it only stays with you if you bottle it up and then it's going to keep coming up keep coming up until you allow it to you actually have to experience it and if you experience it and you're like okay that's happening I'm in severe sadness and depression let that let be with it sit with it yes it will dissipate and then it's and then it's gone and then you've your the fountain flows through you know. Correct yeah
Justin:it's as simple as that yet as difficult as that.
Smoke:Someone I was talking to a good friend who's a powerhouse leader of a company. She's really awesome and she was confiding with some relationship and self esteem issues and this is a person who's really out there and and really successful.
Justin:Of course.
Smoke:And yeah and and and we were talking about it and she was like oh you know you're so right and I know that and so she's like I I see the jar I'm in and I said you know what that's I love that I love that actually I've been using it because she's like well I'm like well first of all good for you because if you see the jar if you don't see the jar you're just in the jar and you're just stuck in it. If
Justin:you see the
Smoke:jar okay that's the first step to like okay how do I get out of this jar? Now you're not going to get you're going to get out of that jar you're going to be in a bigger jar and then but and if we keep in mind that that's the jars keep getting bigger but we're still in a jar of some sort. So.
Justin:It's a hermit crab. That's all.
Smoke:It's just a hermit crab. Yeah. But I love that. I mean, it's like, okay, I know whatever jar I'm in, I know I can get out of it because it's there's a bigger jar that I can hop into at some point. So, what are the things holding me that this lid on or you know keeping me constrained?
Justin:Would love to meet whoever that is. I'm writing intro to the woman in the jar. -Absolutely. -But see, it's really important and obviously without names being disclosed, like that again that's what's really happening. That's what's really happening on an individual level regardless of how whatever success means to people, that is what's happening on a collective level.
Justin:And basically what I saw in France is that with fountains, by the way, there were fountains represented. That's interesting that you said, man, that is amazing, but it's fountains and that it was basically that the world was a giant broken heart and the blood is going everywhere, it's not connected the way it, so you have disconnected individuals creating disconnected companies projecting disconnectedness and trauma without the inner healing and such a giant beating heart that's bleeding everywhere. That's basically what it's
Smoke:funny. I have this, I have a beautiful heart at the top of a crystal fountain flowing through.
Justin:I
Smoke:I go to all the time. Send me that. And we're yeah look this realm is heaven or earth and it's both. I mean heaven or hell and it's both. Yeah.
Smoke:So it just depends on the context and the perspective but we have that's what that's the blessing is that in this in this one realm we have access to all levels and I you know you you stated a worry about like you know society and whether people are going to appreciate or whether you know we're we're in this doom doom loop maybe is maybe my words but I don't I don't see it that way at all. I see more and more people waking up. See more and more people raising their head above the fray and saying, oh, am I in a jar? Am I missing? Like what is there?
Smoke:Is there more? And I see that happening more and more with leaders and I think people up and down the street are sensing it. There is some kind of time split, timeline split and I do believe that because there are elements of society that are stuck in this doom loop cycle but I think that there is a really beautiful thing happening for a large number of people in this realm and and and it's and it's a by the way it's an open invite any anyone can join.
Justin:We're right here. We're here.
Smoke:If they're watching if they're watching this and they're already on the on that path.
Justin:More babies, more smoke trail babies.
Smoke:We're all that in that way including smoke.
Justin:You third person yourself which that with the that gets great. That's good because like again why know all this or or be aware of this if you can't help people with it? So you're you're one of the best examples I know of that in human body form for sure.
Smoke:Well, I greatly appreciate that and greatly appreciate you Justin. Think the work you're doing is equally helpful to people and is I love the creativity and I'm excited to see what else what comes next and as you act on your creative inspirations.
Justin:Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what book comes next or company or whatever it is, whatever healing journey and oh, so just a so in human design, human design again we talked about that a little it's the greatest, it's not an assessment, but it is I guess. So in human design, the true wisdom doesn't kick in until age 50, so I'm negative one and a half, I think what are you three or four, you're three or four years old, I don't know five, but the so like for those folks, this is just hopefully to be helpful for like those folks that are like, oh it hasn't clicked in yet, well because if you're not 50 yet, at least in human design, you haven't even been born yet, so like I'm very excited to see this rebirth and you know when this book comes out and all those things, and then even a year and a half that there's like this is definitely a process in in a year timeline, and so it's okay to be patient with that. By the way, word patience, patient means suffering, so that's what that word. So it's okay to suffer being patient because that's literally what it means while your soul or body or mission or purpose is evolving in the human three d world.
Smoke:Yeah and the good news is that and the bad news and good news is that we are reborn in every instant. Yes,
Justin:for sure.
Smoke:And so, there's not like you're reborn and then it's over. No. It's a continuous process of rebirth in every moment, in every present now because like, you know, how we see cart, you know how cartoons are made where they, you know, they draw the pictures and you run em fast and it looks like they're cartoon guys moving. It's how movies work. It's how TV work, right?
Justin:Yes.
Smoke:Well, that's what we're actually living. We're actually instantly, you know, instantaneously spontaneously generated every one ten thousands of a second and we don't see the space between. So, we're actually like it's possible to be reborn every instant.
Justin:If
Smoke:we're present and we're not you know we have the flow happening.
Justin:Well then it's that's about being a jar which means slightly open so to bring back the jar analogy so that's being a jar within the jar well that's good You're a great man my friend.
Smoke:Right well Justin it was awesome awesome awesome as always we can do this regularly because you are officially a regular guest on the Smoke Trail because I never know what we're going to get into and hopefully it's going to I think part of this is also pushing the Overton window, creating a bigger way to what's acceptable to talk about in leadership circles, in success circles. Yeah. Know,
Justin:some
Smoke:of this stuff gets talked about in certain very narrow channels of spiritual world, and we're bringing it to the mainstream.
Justin:Very grateful for this opportunity, and can't wait to see our relationship goes as well. It'll be a lot of fun to see what happens.
Smoke:Awesome, thank you. Welcome.
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